{"id":77442,"date":"2023-11-28T10:16:49","date_gmt":"2023-11-27T21:16:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.farmersweekly.co.nz\/?p=77442"},"modified":"2023-11-28T10:16:52","modified_gmt":"2023-11-27T21:16:52","slug":"veal-initiative-co-founder-on-the-journey-so-far","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.farmersweekly.co.nz\/people\/veal-initiative-co-founder-on-the-journey-so-far\/","title":{"rendered":"Veal initiative co-founder on the journey so far"},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\">9<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span>\n<p>Winner of the recent Silver Fern Farms Market Leader Award at the 2023 Beef+Lamb NZ Awards, Pearl Veal is an innovation story that covers the journey from an idea to the challenges of development, and to implementation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Founded by Julia Galwey and Alan McDermott out of the frustration that there had to be a better way, the initiative is now providing high quality, pasture-raised veal to top chefs around NZ and Japan.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Listen to the podcast here, or read the full transcript below. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-21-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: Julia Galwey - By-product to buy product\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"100%\" height=\"152\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/6J3RDKAZSrlGli1mtruLcf?si=dmvZPy2GR5e-WISt08ofDA&#038;utm_source=oembed\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Bryan Gibson, Managing Editor Farmers Weekly.<br><\/strong>Kia ora, you&#8217;ve joined the Ideas That Grow podcast, brought to you by Rural Leaders. In this series, we&#8217;ll be drawing on insights from innovative rural leaders to help plant ideas that grow so our regions can flourish. Ideas that Grow is presented in association with Farmers Weekly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kia ora, you&#8217;ve joined the Ideas That Grow podcast, brought to you by Rural Leaders. In this series, we&#8217;ll be drawing on insights from innovative rural leaders to help plant ideas that grow so our regions can flourish. Ideas that Grow is presented in association with Farmers Weekly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>My name is Bryan Gibson, Managing Editor of Farmers Weekly and this week I am talking to the recent winner of the Market Leader Award at the Beef and Lamb New Zealand Awards, Julia Galwey.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bryan Gibson:<br>G\u2019day Julia, how&#8217;s it going?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Julia Galwey, 2020 Kellogg Scholar and Co-Founder Pearl Veal:<br><\/strong>Good, thank you Bryan. 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With some of that starting with animal welfare for us in producing the best calf possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong>From research to innovation.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There&#8217;s quite a lot of challenge in terms of veal as anything has to be produced before the calf is 12-months old, so a lot of the challenge is around getting it to grow as fast as possible and to reach a heavy weight in that time. It needs a really good start in life as a calf, to be able to do that. Some of our system was built around a particular rearing regime in terms of good colostrum.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Then we only use whole fresh milk rather than milk powder, which has had a lot of the good bits taken out of it. Milk is what&#8217;s designed for the calf, so let&#8217;s just give it that and obviously some pasture as well. 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